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Post by Envy on Jul 21, 2019 14:44:27 GMT -8
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Post by Pat on Jul 23, 2019 12:27:56 GMT -8
WHY?IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT???
Note from Admin: This was written by the CWMC 16 COY winner, Envy, that worked at Sheri's Brothel. She wrote this before the vote and announcement of her winning COY That year. More to come later.Thank you for making this post. I also want to congratulate you on winning the CWMC 16 COY. I have been to 22 CWMC events and participated in all the COY contest at that time. Hell! I even had my own COY contest called Board awards. You can read about that at CWMC 8 . You were the most surprising winner of all the COY winners at that time. Not only was I surprised, but most of the Mongers and Banquet guess I spoke to were also surprised. To be honest their was also some negative comments about your win. I was sitting at one of the front tables with Nikita, (2 time COY winner) and (Sonja with either with her husband or a monger) Sonja was a working lady and brothel manager.) Mickey and his date were also at our table. When your name was called, a simultaneous, Wow! That's a surprise was expressed.
I agree with you when you say how much I or anyone else pays the lady, is their choice and criticism on how much they paid the lady is stupid. What they paid a particular lady at a particular time has no effect on them what so ever. They should be concerned on how much they paid for their parties. What someone else paid has nothing to do with them. They would be wiser to tell us about how much they paid for a party not what someone else paid for a party. For one they weren't in the party so they really have no perspective of what really happened in the party.
Where i disagree with you is on should I feel guilty or condemned for posting the price of my parties. The answer is NO! I do think that if you post the price you paid, then you have an obligation to also post the time, the lady, the activities, and how you felt when you left. In reading your thread and the responses I see a lot of posters criticizing you for suggesting that posting a ladies price is and helps other newbies or other clients. Maybe yes or maybe No. If they do as I said, the price they paid should also have an explanation of the party. I happen to be one of the guys that post ladies prices. I have probably posted more prices paid than most. I have posted my party cost since the early 90's. The MSG boards and their moderators seem confused on what is right or wrong. Post prices or not post prices? Each board and their moderators have to decide what they want on their boards. Some in the past have gone back and force on this. Bashful is one of those that seems to be conflicted about this. At one time it was no price posting is allowed. Then the rule was you could post prices but only in certain places. Those being allowed in reviews but not allowed on the MSG board. Then it was anywhere you want to post them. The Posters are divided on this. Some are all for it others say keep your mouth shut about prices. It hurts the ladies business. What I found interesting in reading the responses to your thread, Most that had a negative response on you seeming to be against posters posting the price they paid for their party. The same posters have never posted their own prices or if they do they don't include time and activities. That's what I call a waste of time post.
I agree with this statement. A majority of the posters attacked you on your view on individuals posting their own prices. They totally ignored what I thought was the main point of your thread. Should we criticize/ridicule what others paid. I say NO. It is not useful. Even with an explanation of the party we have no clue whether the party was good or bad. I'm sure you knew most on the public MSG boards would not applaud you for your thoughts on posting of prices. The responses seem to disagree with your view. I agree and disagree with your posting of prices view. Posters posting their own prices I agree with. Do not ridicule them. Posters posting their own prices I'm in agreement with, if it comes with a good explanation. Listening to IB about, what is a fair price or not, is a waste of time. He is a cheap bastard and anything over $200. 00 is too much. Thank you for your post. Pricing is always a touchy topic. Being a working lady and expressing your view makes it even more complicated. The Professional Tricks, Yes I was/are one, It takes courage, knowing that the majority will criticize you for it. Calls of free speech, saving the newbie and it helps keep the prices low are the arguments they will throw at you.
Congratulation again for the COY. I was surprised!! mostly because I thought your post was a kiss of death for these boards. The hobbyists...P.T.'S don't like to hear anti pricing post.
PS. I cry too when the packers lose whether I have money on the game or not.
Pat
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Post by wayne2o1 on Jul 23, 2019 15:04:28 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT??? wayne2o1 Guest Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 05:09:26 AM » Gee I feel so Bad about being a COB. NOT.... Trust Me I WILL Make sure I Never Party with YOU EVER .... I am Old Fat and Have a Little Money :-\. I Love the Company of Beautiful Young Ladies. I love telling My Friends I slept with this rock Hard . Sweet Beautiful Young Lady for X amount of Dollars. I love telling Them She Made Me feel Like I have Never felt before. She Made Me feel Special and alive and for that I am Thankful. I will be GLAD to tell every Newbie that she will Make them feel GREAT and Treat Them Right .. I will also Be Happy to rub it in with a So Called Friend of Mine ... Yes I got really Mad about a Ladies 3000 dollar Party for 1 hour .I also Got taken advantage of when I first started!. But You think the Price should stay between the Lady and the Guy ?? I am so glad the Newbie Posted his Price . And If I remember Correctly the Party was not that Great . I wonder how many Parties it cost said Lady ?? If ANy .. If everyone said Envy Gave the greatest Party at a Fair Price ?? I am sure that would Make You Mad And I know My Body is 30 Pounds Over weight .. That is Why I Pay 300-500 for Parties with some of the Great Ladies who are LPINS ..And Why You do not Pay Me 300-500 Dollars to Party with Me ..And when I got Divorced O Yeah I took it in the Ass and every where else. Damn She had a Good Attorney
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Post by JSBach on Jul 23, 2019 15:13:15 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT?? JSBach
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Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 05:13:29 AM Envy, my comments below aren't all directed at you. I'm just giving my opinion on pricing in this industry in general.
My view on pricing is somewhat different than others on here. I couldn't care less how much a lady charges. If she can get 10K per hour with every client, good for her! What I have a problem with is the mentality some have that it is OK to charge someone more because they are rich or because they have no experience with the industry. I've even seen a few clients make comments in support of this. I believe in always dealing with people openly and honestly, and I think that is sometimes missing in this industry.
It's not just the women*. There is propaganda from some brothel owners about it being illegal to discuss pricing, yet no one has ever produced anything other than extremely flimsy arguments to support this. For example, I've seen a few argue that it's considered solicitation. Really? It's solicitation to discuss pricing, but not to make deposits and schedule appointments? I have a 100% negative view of government, and even I have trouble buying that the law would be this stupid.
Add to this Dennis Hof's comments on a Cathouse episode about taking a guy for everything. Admittedly, he does seem to say this in a joking tone, but it certainly doesn't help with how potential clients view the industry. Things like this are part of the reason why pricing is a sensitive issue on the client side. I understand some guys are probably just cheap bastards, but my problems with pricing don't relate to the amount. It's about how a lady deals with clients, both individually and as a group.
I'm probably going to get a lot of crap for saying this, but there is no intrinsic value in the service you ladies provide. This isn't because what you provide isn't valuable, but because all value is subjective. Something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. This has nothing to do with your value as a human being or your worth to other people. I'm speaking in purely monetary terms.
I don't see a problem with being concerned with what others are charged. It's an indication of how someone does business. There have been numerous stories about mechanics charging women more because they are perceived as not knowing about cars. As a result, they sometimes paid more for the same service or paid for things they didn't really need. I can't imagine any of you ladies would be fine with being treated like this. As a guy, I wouldn't want to use a mechanic who did this even if I was charged a lower rate than a woman. It demonstrates a lack of integrity. And before anyone says this industry is different, it's not. How you treat others is important no matter what you are selling.
If a lady wants to charge more, she should think like a business. A perfect non-brothel example of this is Apple. Apple gets a lot of business even though they often charge more than companies with similar products. They have created a perception that they are worth it. They don't go around trying to convince people that they are worth a certain amount. They put their products out there and show people the value they provide. As a result, people spend billions of dollars per year on Apple products. This may seem irrelevant to the brothel industry, but I think you can learn from any business. Instead of arguing that you are worth a certain amount, demonstrate your value by being reliable about showing up for appointments, providing great parties, etc. In other words, provide value to others. From what I've observed, I think Ruby Rae is a great example of how to do this right.
When I see ladies being defensive about pricing, it's a turnoff. I can understand being offended by a lowball offer, but I don't get why some defend pricing on the basis of trying to get as much as you can out of each client. The lesson from The Goose that Laid the Golden Egg comes to mind here.
As for your comments on fame, I'm not really sure what you are referencing. I couldn't care less whether a woman is famous or not. It wouldn't affect my interest in seeing her.
Respect does seem to be somewhat lacking in the brothel world. I cringe when I see how some treat women in this industry. Even though it's pay for play, I don't see any reason to treat working girls differently than any other woman.
*I obviously don't include all women in my comments. There seem to be some truly classy ladies in this industry who adhere to the golden rule.
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Post by Kevinz0071 on Jul 23, 2019 15:19:16 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT??? Kevinz0071 Hoser Family Member Posts: 1458 Gender: Male Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 05:31:47 AM »Great points Envy thank you for saying this I also believe that it is between me and the lady I party with and I don't have to Justify myself to anyone or share the information with anyone if others choose to that is unfortunate but I don't and never will
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Post by Envy on Jul 23, 2019 15:27:53 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT??? Envy Guest Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 05:46:04 AM » Wayne2o1..... I think you really misunderstood the point I was trying to make!!
If the roles were reversed!!!! If the reviews were all about how the service provider looked...and the pressure to please the client...If you men could...for just a moment understand that we ladies... that do.. try extremely hard to be all you hoped we would be and the experience was everything you desired...could understand for just a moment...how frustrating it is to read about what idiots... anyone who paid more than what YOUR willing to pay..must have been...or how they were taken advantage of...If it were you on the other end of the negotiating experience...trust me ...you would think and feel differently...
I look at some of these reviews...they go like this....
colored hair... hard body tight ass nice tits light kissing daty
You get my point...that it is an incredible amount of pressure...
I was merely saying what should we charge?
If it were we ladies as the clients...and you all the sex providers...under the same pressures to look and please the clients...What would you charge an hour??
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Post by Jack Rackham on Jul 23, 2019 15:40:50 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT??? Jack Rackham Hoser Family Member Posts: 592 Gender: Male Reply #5 on: July 11, 2012, 05:57:58 AM Envy,
I have no problem with a lady asking what she thinks performing a certain service is worth. But, I totally agree with what JSBach said, I don't like the attitude that comes with it from many ladies that I've encountered if I am unwilling to pay that price. I'm not "lowballing" it's just MY price. ok? I'll just move on and find a lady who I can come to an agreement with.
At the same time, if a lady quotes me a really high price, I don't really have an issue with telling my friends that I think her prices are high relative to others. Maybe it just depends upon HOW you go about saying it (maybe that's the problem), but that isn't really complaining to me. My friends can make up their own minds if the lady's price is too high. I'm just letting them know based on my experience which could, incidentally be different than theirs.
Jack Rackham
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Post by Envy on Jul 23, 2019 15:47:58 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT??? Envy Guest Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 06:31:23 AM JSBach...
one of the great composers!!!!
You have a talent yourself....in composing tactful and diplomatic responses!!!!
Now having said that.....please know I am not new to this....firstly... I have been in the business for over five years... nominated COY 2008,2009,2010,2011 And I am a finalist in this July's C#MC..
Secondly...I am famous for the constancy of my pricing...which has always been based on activity and time... irregardless of your status...looks...or appearance of income!!!!!!
Appearance of income!!!! I promise you...those that appear usually have little ...those one would not guess have much...so I never try to presume what a clients potential for a high dollar party would look like...
I challenge anyone that doubts that to come in with a friend...ask for the same amount of time and the same activities...and you will see I am sincere in this....
I have seen many outrageous offenses...by ladies ....I know all to well of what you speak of....
I once saw a hot Cuban charge $2000.00... the guy ejaculated within 5 minutes and she escorted him out of her room... It was appalling...and I was incredibly saddened for the man....
I would never have done such a thing to another human being...I would have given him the time of his life...but he chose wrong!!!!
What I was trying to say...
Is that I get the hobbyist mentality...of the most bang for the buck....
I think among friends it is a competitive ,well intended.. for fun...ego fest....and that is all fine and well...
I don't have a problem with that aspect...
What I do have a problem with is the belittling of men that choose to have an experience and paying more than members feel he could have gotten the party for...If he just only knew better!!!! Perhaps he did...indeed ..know his options..after-all ... or ridiculing a lady for getting a certain amount of money...as gouging or taking advantage of her client....that is between the two of them...It was a negotiation...if both parties agreed...I just do not get the animosity...as to who the hell the lady thinks she is for charging such prices...( As if she has the nerve to think she is worth that much)
That is when I get defensive!!!!
Much love and respect
Envy
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Post by Envy on Jul 23, 2019 15:53:37 GMT -8
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Post by Kevinz0071 on Jul 23, 2019 15:59:40 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT??? Kevinz0071 Hoser Family Member Posts: 1458 Gender: Male Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012, 07:10:28 AM Very true sometimes we get bashed on as clients for not providing enough detail so the other Mongers can know precisely what we did and I don't follow that philosophy I believe that when you get intimate with a lady weather you are paying for the time or not (Though IMHO even in "real" relationships you are still paying for the time haha) It should stay between us what I did is what I did and what I paid is what I paid it is nobody's business. I think with the guy in question he had a little buyers remorse after the fact which is no fault of the ladies she DOMINATED LPIN for her time there and as you stated the negotiation did happen and he agreed to the price so in his mind at that time and place she was worth said amount. I was brand new to LPIN and had never been on any message board or anything when I first walked into a brothel and I got quoted what I thought was out of my Range Money wise and Negotiated just fine and still had a great party so the Newbie excuse to me is a lame excuse. Thanks again for your thoughts on this --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Love me or hate me I'm a bunny guy. Best of Reno Bunny Ranch 2010-2016 10 years of steamy days and hotter nights at the ranches
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Post by Envy on Jul 23, 2019 16:17:03 GMT -8
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Post by cosmo nickatini on Jul 23, 2019 16:22:02 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT??? cosmo nickatini Hoser Family Member Posts: 4198 Reply #10 on: July 11, 2012, 07:37:28 AM Envy......to answer the question posed in the head of the thread directly......it's not! Most of the time. It's not.
Maybe it would be fun....interesting....instructive.....if there was a thread about the MOST you ever paid for a party......and if it was worth it, in the end, as you drove off into the night.......
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Post by Envy on Jul 23, 2019 16:27:17 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT??? Envy Guest Reply #11 on: July 11, 2012, 07:58:59 AM Thank you Cosmo!!!!!!
I think it is subjective!!!! in the end....Isn't it?
I do understand the hard work H.G.does calculating house prices...but I like that it is anonymous!!!! because I believe people tend to be more honest and therefore he gets more accurate data....
But the rest ...just seems childish...and sometimes mean spirited!!!!
I think what you suggest sounds like a great topic!!!! I personally can say I have had some moderate to high priced parties...And I can't tell you how many write either an amazing and unsolicited review or me personally to tell me what a great time they had ...come back...and say It was worth every penny...
And that's just me...
So I imagine there might be quite a few that would respond!!!!!
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Post by coffeehound on Jul 23, 2019 16:32:27 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT???coffeehound
Guest Reply #12 on: July 11, 2012, 08:49:13 AM what a post
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Post by Voyeur on Jul 23, 2019 16:39:52 GMT -8
WHY? IS WHAT WE GET FOR A PARTY SO IMPORTANT???
Voyeur Guest Reply #13 on: July 11, 2012, 01:30:28 PM »
Well, I suppose the obvious answer to why we care so much about what you get for a party is because we're the ones paying for it.
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