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Post by Bones on May 7, 2019 15:40:59 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
bones Icon Posts: 584 Gender: male
Reply #31 - 01/31/07 at 10:11:37
I can see a severe rotten case of ballot box stuffing occurring if a poster isn't blocked from voting more than once. As you indicate and some of these less than honest gents with a different handle on each board would be inclined to vote using all of them. I find that purely rotten and dishonest. It seems only proper to require each individual to declare under which handles they post on all boards and accept only one ballot from any of those various names, voiding any others entered. It would stop conflict of interest and box stuffing. So appears their rules need a bit of work or overhaul to stop just such a happeining. But then again that would prevent them from getting just the results they desired.
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Post by Ladyblue/Pat on May 7, 2019 15:51:17 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
Ladyblue\Pat Senior Member Posts: 345
Reply #32 - 01/31/07 at 11:16:28
This is the list of those that Voted in 2005. I will also post the list of those that voted in 2006. They all look legit. It is about 30 to 35 voters. Many of the same ones from both years. List of Final Round Voters - Updated 6/6/05 9:45PM EDT Voter Handle Vote Accepted? CVGuy yes Shooter yes CountryRocker5 yes Bozzibear yes Hobie yes Interested bystander yes FredT yes Clclfan yes Ras Tyger yes Avatar yes Mikey yes Anonymous Person yes Theyareallsohot yes Cowboy yes Jagged yes Woodrow yes Fastweb yes Massageman yes Voyeur yes Dr. Who yes Apache yes Dude yes Gray Hound yes SF Bay Area Fan yes Redneck Moderator yes Halo yes Fromwyo yes Thrillhill yes Speed Racer yes Lurker 1951 yes Door Knocker yes Prospector Bob yes Border Bandit yes Chay yes Geocal99 yes Weis yes MakeMeSmile yes Danimal yes Chronos616 yes Curious yes Pat yes MJB yes Little Richard yes Dex yes Beach Dude yes Sexycouple yes Smoothpaste yes StephenMrFlorida yes Rambo no*
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Post by Ladyblue/Pat on May 7, 2019 16:02:56 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
Ladyblue\Pat Senior Member Posts: 345 Reply #33 - 01/31/07 at 11:18:03 List of people who have voted in the final voting round - Updated 5/1/06 9:00 PM EDT Voter's Handle Vote Accepted? Anonymous Person yes Redneck Moderator yes Rick James yes Fairoakian yes Georoc yes Voyeur yes Buddha yes Prospector Bob yes Interested bystander yes Bones yes Ironman yes Speed Racer yes
Hobie yes Relaxed Man yes SF Bay Area Fan yes Dr. Who yes Samurai yes Thumper yes Shooter yes Vernon yes Remair4 yes Fromwyo yes Little Richard yes Cowboy yes Mikey yes Massageman yes clclfan yes Nikolai yes Chili Cook yes Stingray 1961 yes FredT yes Weis yes Buddha yes
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Post by Ladyblue/Pat on May 7, 2019 16:20:08 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
Ladyblue\Pat Senior Member Posts: 345
Reply #34 - 01/31/07 at 12:14:42
Bones: In 2004 their were 2 COY Awards given out. Both Awards were made up of The 2 main public message boards at that time. (NVB, SIN) In the coy given out by those from the SIN board. Shanice won.(FredT awards) In the COY that had more posters from NVB Chay won. (Pat's Board awards) On the NVB board(Pat) Shanice only got 1 vote. That vote came in right after the final closing time. The Awards are fine. They are more of a fun thing, than anything else. In the Awards that FredT puts on they are going to reflect how that board Votes. Most of the Awards going way back have a majority of voters from SIN. Many of those voters are the same voters year after year. The awards have little to do with how good of an LPIN any lady is. They do have to do with how good of a board presence a lady has. In most cases the ladies winning were frequent board posters with a good board personality. the only exception I can think of was when CWMC 4 and CWMC 5 the same lady won both of those years. She had never posted on the message boards. Her vote was gotten by a few very popular posters that spoke good about her. Flyfisher, Dopey, and Motorman. ___________________________________________________________________ JFF's only real sources come from him sticking his head up his ass
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Post by Bones on May 7, 2019 16:26:24 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
bones Icon Posts: 584 Gender: male Reply #35 - 01/31/07 at 15:38:11
LB you missed the point. Sure the lists look fine and all is dandy based upon them but look a bit deeper for the missing checks and balances needed to guarntee valid results. 1) any poster could use a different name on all the boards 2) a multi-handled poster could acquire 10 post on each board under a different handle 3) nominate and vote under every different handle 4) results could be cut/paste to give desired results of those counting unknown to or verfiedable by outside independent souces if questions arise Thus one person could possibly have 4 different handles (one for each of the indie boards) resulting in his loading the nominations for his preferred candidates and then cast 4 votes. None of this would show up on either of your lists as improper. But the fact remains over all the contest was fixed/rigged whether intentional or not. Another bad rule is not allowing co-workers to nominate or vote, they see these ladies daily thus both good and bad. So should know who is really deserving of an award not some joker who sees them once or twice a year. If your implying that a frequent posting and board presence likely results in who wins seems off. If you mean the house board maybe will account for last year. But if by the indie boards (BOB, NBT, NVB) then it would have gone to Jenny, as the winner I don't recall seeing posting hardly anywhere but the house board. Did you notice your 06 list has Buddha on twice. Does that mean he got 2 votes? Fun you say from what I've recall and have read last year especially had more hurt feelings and tears than joy associated with it. For a fun thing seems more like a barroom fight to me was happening during and after.
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Post by Ladyblue/Pat on May 7, 2019 17:05:09 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
Ladyblue Senior Member Posts: 345 Reply #36 - 01/31/07 at 16:19:58 Sure all those things are possible. More so this year than in years pass. This because in the past their were fewer boards and fewer multiple handles. Their is no absolute fail proof way to hold the contest. No matter how it was held someone would call Fowl. I hear what you're saying and what you say is very possible. Now can you show me one example in the 2 list I made of the voters? I didn't think so.
The key word is likely! Like I said in my previous post the winner at CWMC4 and CWMC 5 did not post on the boards. The other winners did have some presence on the boards.
Actually you mention Jenny. She posted on BOB(was moderator for a short time there). She also posted on NVB, NBT, I believe and her own Brothel board. Several of the BOB posters got together and promoted to have all the BOB posters vote for her. That doesn't mean it was a scam. It means like in years past and in the future people will group vote. That's not scamming. That's good campaigning and perfectly fine as far as i am concerned.
Yes! I posted it exactly the way it was posted at the time. I believe their was also an explanation at the time by FredT making a typo when he Originally posted the list.Their has been controversy every year. This would include the year AB held it. No matter who holds the contest you will have that. Having had a personal contacts with some nominees and some winners I know some were happy to be nominated win or lose. Having been to about 18 Banquets I also know that most guys I talked to thought the awards were just fine and fun. I know for sure of 2 posters that were not pleased with how they were run. One lady Desiree. The one guy that wasn't pleased about how they were run was a poster named Bones. I'm sure their were others that weren't pleased. I just never heard anyone else complain to me about the awards. Can you show me or give me an example of all the voters you thought the awards weren't fun or cheated, or disliked the awards? Do you have examples of posters that voted more than once?
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Post by Ladyblue/Pat on May 7, 2019 18:12:44 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
Ladyblue\Pat Senior Member Posts: 345
Reply #37 - 01/31/07 at 16:24:19
Here is the list of the votes on the NVB contest (Pat's Board Awards.) This is a list of who voted and who they voted for. Jagged voted 1 day after the vote was closed and voted for Shanice. It was the only vote that Shanice got on My Board awards. On FredT's Awards I believe Shanice won with a tie with Chay. Sportsman voted 3 or 4 times for Caressa kisses. I only counted 1 of his votes and told him to stop voting more than once. Chay was the single winner on my Awards. Handles Courtesan Sportsman Caressa kisses Grey Hound Tracy D Armond Chay Hughgrection Chay reguy Piper Chubby Janelle Miz zou Monika Morris Im-12-7-02 Alicia Tech_weenie Airforce amy Shooter Chay MrK100 Chay Hobie1 lilly Mikey AirforceAmmy Willthrill Vanilla Woody Chay Voyager Bridgett
greywolf Melissa Vernon Angel Bustlover Air Force Amy Dj75 Trinity Trinity Massageman Chay Roadbeer Chay Broken wing No vote Lycoan Miya Lovefun Diamond/Dee Lampman Savanna Freddie Fedco Sharon What honey B Sweet Cowboy Piper TB Piper theyarereallsohot Tabitha Drwho Tiffany Cr Fastweb Andrea CR WHCR Cummuter Zimmygal BozziBear McKenna Duckman Desiree shy_dude Alicia Lizardboy Parker Mark110 Janelle MisterMusic Tabitha College guy Vanilla Cream Little Richard Chay Logcabin Air Force Amy Lookin4fun Faith Worldwarsixtynine Honey Voyeur Lilly of wildhorse batman Mona The Libertarian Lilly SF Bay AreaFan Shanda Lynn Speed Racer Andrea CR WH MoosNSqrl Yvonne Kittys Himeros Alicia Avatar Chay Curious Chay Jagged Shanice Prospector Bob Tabitha _____________________________________________________ JFF's only real sources come from him sticking his head up his ass
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Post by Ladyblue on May 8, 2019 15:27:23 GMT -8
He his right it was Desiree that complained last year. It was also Desiree that was upset at CWMC6. That was the year AB did the Banquet. Which also caused a huge controversy between SIN posters and AB. She was 1 of the finalist. She was at the Banquet with a date (Duckman or Armond) I might have that wrong. she did not win. She left about the same time I did. I walked down the hall and took the same elevator down has her and her date. During that time she was complaining about how unfair the Awards were. Like I said before their will always be those that complain no matter who does it or how it's done. For awhile it was the Southern and Northern battle. Many thought because most of the voters in the early days were Northern Brothel patrons that the Southern houses weren't getting a fair shake. The Banquets have also had some controversy. Ab got really upset 1 year because he was unhappy about how they were being run. So he did the Banquet that year. That caused some of the SIN folks to boycott the Banquet. That caused another bit of a battle.
For those that are not familiar with CWMC 6 that was the year AB was giving out TEE Shirts and Hats. AB mostly used the banquet as a Promo for the brothels and owners.
Ladyblue
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Post by Ladyblue on May 8, 2019 16:05:43 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
Ladyblue Senior Member Posts: 345 Reply #39 - Today at 11:05:46 This brings back another controversy. I think it was CWMC 8 or maybe 9 that Bobbi was pissed off about the awards. She wanted Fredt to take her off of his voting. She felt that since the Brothel owners weren't allowed to be at the Banquet they shouldn't have to be part of the Awards if they didn't want to be. She also thought that the CWMC meetings were about guys meeting ladies for illegal activities.
FREDT refused to remove her name. She won SBOY that year.
Ladyblue
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Post by Bones on May 8, 2019 16:13:29 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
bones Icon Posts: 584 Gender: male
Reply #40 - Today at 11:21:15
That's totally why all the principles involved in both the vote counting and paying for the awards need to be openly stated and id's given. Along with none of them being allowed to nominate or vote in the contest. That's just a commonly accepted and good way to do the contest. There's always been roughly the same number of indie boards are there are now. In the past you had NVB, NBT, NBG, GP's, and SIN so lose one your still have 3 now with BOB the number has stabilized at 4. So there should be no reason why in order to nominate and vote a person shouldn't be required to state under which handles he posts on each board if all or part are different names. That would put it in line with a main founding idea of our country was one man one vote ideal. If needed a person could request that only one name be listed as playing but the judges would have the list to prevent box stuffing. Your correct in any contest there are winners and losers, it's how they accept either way that shows the individual's personal character. But realize that if the contest seems the least bit shady then how any given person reacts can't be predicted. Remove any suspecions of an honest contest then all will likely be happiers with the results.
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Post by Ladyblue on May 8, 2019 17:05:01 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
Ladyblue Senior Member Posts: 345
Reply #41 - Today at 13:33:08
Your wrong their was at one time 5 public boards, NVB,NBG,NBT, BOB, SIN. When the contest 1st started their was only 1 board involved(GP"S) with the contest. Then SIN and NVB were later the only 2 boards involved in the contest. GP's board was closed. Then NBT, NBG, SIN and NVB were the boards involved with the contest. NBG was closed then we had NBT, SIN, NBV, and BOB involved with the contest. BOB closed and they were also removed from being eligible to participate. Today (2005) Posters from NBT, SIN, BOB and NVB can vote in the contest. Anyone can have a contest and hold the vote any way they want. It will have some controversy. Their will always be those that don't like the results that will claim it's Shady or unfair.
I suggest if you don't like the way it is being run that you start one yourself. I guarantee that some will bitch about it.
I also think that it's pretty amazing that a contest that you and a few others consider is a bad thing, not fun, dishonest, and poorly run goes on year after year with different people running it and different formats. It started in 1998 is still happening every year with a good amount of participation. it still continues to go on year after year. I think they must be doing enough right or it would have died out by now if it's as bad as you say.
Note from Admin: The year is now 2019. Guess what? The contest is still going strong. Sure as expected a few will bitch about how corrupt and unfair it is. But! people vote and pick the winners year after year. That tells me that someone is doing something right or at least good enough to get plenty of participants. If it was as bad as you make it out to be. It would have ended back in 2005. Today I'm not sure who is allowed to vote. I think only clients are allowed to vote. I'm not sure what boards are allowed to vote. Are the Brothel boards poster, not ladies or managers, allowed to vote? If so how can the committee verify multi handles when they have no access to the forums poster information.
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Post by Ramair4 on May 9, 2019 15:00:05 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CWMC
Ramair4 Full Member Posts: 236 Gender: male Reply #42 - Today at 13:33:59
What is the reasoning behind not allowing brothel owners to attend the award presentation?
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Post by Ladyblue quoting Curious on May 9, 2019 15:25:45 GMT -8
Re: Deleted AB post on CW Ladyblue
Senior Member Posts: 345 Reply #43 - Today at 13:44:46 Here is a bit of history from 2002. Posted by Curious on July 26, 2002 at 11:48:13
It has become clear that the CWMC awards have gained stature and more meaning (to the rest of the world) over the years. What started as just something fun to do now may have become a responsibility we need to look at in a more serious light. As more people, including people in the industry, become aware of the awards and put more importance on them, we need to do the same. Some of the ideas I present here will not be popular. Heck, some of it I don't agree with myself. But I think they are issues that need to be brought out and discussed. So, I am sorry in advance for all those I piss off! And I urge all of you to add your ideas, concerns, and comments. Just please keep it friendly! This past group of awards saw some major campaigning - resulting in a sweep by the South. Personally I do not believe that the results truly represented the majority feelings of THIS COMMUNITY. Please note that I have nothing personally against any of the award recipients. I have long been a champion of the Southern ranches. My first Nevada brothel experience was at the Chicken Ranch. For years, until I attended CWMC2 in fact, all my LPIN experience was in the Southern houses. None of this is anything against the award winners, it is just that I think it is time we formalize the process of how we determine the winners, and make at least the "rules" public. The industry has entered a brave new world, and it is only natural that businesses exploit whatever options exist. Look at how the houses' use and perception of the Internet has changed in just the last couple of years. Only a few years ago the girls who worked at the CR were told NOT to set up their own personal web site, and to never communicate via email with a client or potential customer! Now they have a web site of their own, complete with pictures! Amazing! I understand Sheri's has a computer room for the girls to use! Amazing! They also have a professional working to promote the house on the Net. Amazing! I could go on and on. The bottom line is that "our" awards, which started as almost a lark by one person a few years ago, have become awards that people want. Probably because "we" are the only client based group, as well as the only group giving such awards. So I think it is time we stepped up to the plate and took the responsibility seriously. What I list here are topics I think we need to discuss. Some of these are my ideas, some are other peoples ideas. Some are items just to make you think, some are (IMHO) serious issues we need to resolve. I do NOT have all the answers. But I feel that AS A COMMUNITY we need to find the answers. And no, it has nothing to do with "how long, what activities, and how much". I'll start with a biggie: 1 - Who can vote?
This is, in my mind, one of the most difficult questions, but clearly we need some controls on who can vote. Obviously we need to limit it to one vote per person. But we need to go beyond that. Is it fair if I get all 100 members of my bowling group to vote for someone they have never even heard of? - How about if voting is limited to only those persons who have posted on one of the major boards in the past year? - If the person is a lurker, they must have either attended a CWMC event, or be personally known by someone who has attended? - Each person must either be known, or post from a "real" email address (not Hotmail or Yahoo, for example). This leads to the second item, of even greater importance (but less controversial, I suspect): 2 - All rules about the voting MUST be established and published prior to the commencement of the nominating process. Additional rules Here, in no particular order, are ideas for some of the other "rules" for your consideration: 3 - Nominations are open to anyone, top five in each category go to the final voting. If necessary run off's will be held to select the top five. That leads to number 4: 4 - What are the categories for the awards? Should we keep the same 4 as we had this year? Maybe add another award for best new courtesan of the year? 5 - The awards should not be "tied" to a particular web site, nor to the host of the banquet. 6 - Publish the number of votes each finalist gets. 7 - Rules against stuffing the ballot box. Unethical activities or attempts to (unfairly?) influence the outcome leads to disqualification. 8 - When someone votes, the ballot is immediately emailed to all members of the voting committee staff. When you post in response to these ideas, PLEASE include the item numbers I have used here, if possible. And thanks TIA for your input ...
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Post by Admin on Aug 2, 2019 10:55:31 GMT -8
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2019 13:27:31 GMT -8
This is how the vote came out
COY Voters
| Ladies Nominated
| Sportsman
| Caressa kisses
| Grey Hound
| Tracy D
| Armond
| Chay
| Hughgrection
| Chay
| reguy
| Piper
| ChubbyPiper
| Janelle
| Miz zou
| Monika Morris
| Im-12-7-02
| Alicia
| Tech_weenie
| Airforce Amy
| Shooter
| Chay
| MrK100
| Chay
| Hobie1
| lilly
| Mikey
| AirforceAmy
| Willthrill
| Vanilla
| Woody
| Chay
| Voyager
| Bridgett
| greywolf
| Melissa
| Vernon
| Angel
| Bustlover
| Air Force Amy
| Dj75
| Trinity
| Massageman
| Chay
| Roadbeer
| Chay
| Lycoan
| Miya
| Lovefun
| Diamond/Dee
| Lampman
| Savanna
| Freddie Fedco
| Sharon
| What
| honey B Sweet
| Cowboy
| Piper
| TB
| Piper
| theyarereallsohot
| Tabitha
| Drwho
| Tiffany Cr
| Fastweb
| Andrea CR WHCR
| Cummuter
| Zimmygal
| BozziBear
| McKenna
| Duckman
| Desiree
| shy_dude
| Alicia
| Lizardboy
| Parker
| Mark110
| Janelle
| MisterMusic
| Tabitha
| College guy
| Vanilla Cream
| Little Richard
| Chay
| Logcabin
| Air Force Amy
| Lookin4fun
| Faith
| Worldwarsixtynine
| Honey
| Voyeur
| Lilly of wildhorse
| batman
| Mona
| The Libertarian
| Lilly
| SF Bay AreaFan
| Shanda Lynn
| Speed Racer
| Andrea CR WH
| MoosNSqrl
| Yvonne Kittys
| Himeros
| Alicia
| Avatar
| Chay
| Curious
| Chay
| Jagged voted late
| Shanice
| Prospector Bob
| Tabitha
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