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Post by Amber Love on Mar 13, 2019 14:50:44 GMT -8
Cathouse & TV weekly!
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«posted on: July 11, 2005 at 04:03:53pm Posts: 1050 [Awesome] [Good]
Cathouse' Not a Secret to Viewers
Sexy Series a Hit for HBO; Cable Mum on Adult Shows By James Hibberd HBO has been keeping quiet about a successful new series. Very quiet.
The program premiered Thursday, June 16, at 11 p.m. (ET) It is a low-cost production aired without any off-network promotion-no screener tapes sent to critics, no billboards, no press releases and not even a listing on the HBO Web site home page.
Yet its late-night debut managed to pull in slightly more total viewers than the highly touted prime-time season premieres of "Entourage" and "The Comeback."
The show is "Cathouse: The Series," a half-hour docu-soap set in a Nevada brothel following the lives of sex workers and their encounters with customers.
Though recent press articles have reported on HBO's drop in prime-time viewership-which has fallen from 1.2 million in 2004 to 900,000 this year-HBO executives are not eager to tout their latest success.
"Cathouse" also represents a departure for the network's late-night strategy. Though the network says it has not increased the amount of adult-oriented original programming on the channel, typically such content is aired as specials (such as the ongoing "Real Sex") or, occasionally, a six-episode miniseries (such as the 2000 title "G-String Divas" and this year's "Pornocopia: Going Down in the Valley").
At 11 episodes, however, "Cathouse: The Series" is firmly a standard weekly series. It's even called a series, which begs the question of why HBO is so quiet about it.
"There's a long tradition at HBO for late-night programming, it has a very loyal audience and that audience knows where to find it," said HBO spokesperson Jeff Cusson. "So the truth be told is we don't have to put a big push behind the marketing."
Showtime, which declined to comment for this story, has a similar tradition. "Family Business," a docu-soap about a family working in the pornography business, is currently in its third season. Yet the show has received barely more promotion than "Cathouse."
Network modesty about adult titles is so doctrine, the networks will even pass up the potential to gain revenue.
DVD sales, for instance, represent a sizable portion of HBO profits, and adult-oriented DVDs are a billion-dollar business. Yet HBO's adult titles are rarely released on DVD. "Real Sex" has more than 30 installments dating back more than a decade but has never had a home video release. An HBO spokesperson claimed a cost-benefit analysis, not the graphic content, is the reason.
Showtime, which has more freely blended highly sexual content with dramatic storytelling in shows such as "The L Word" and "Queer as Folk," does release adult series such as "Family Business" on DVD.
One thing is certain: Viewers do not shy from tuning in for premium cable late-night shows. "Cathouse" was viewed by an average of 1.3 million viewers season to date, according to Nielsen Media Research. That's the same as "Entourage" (1.3 million) and better than "The Comeback" (1 million). The recent miniseries "Pornocopia" did even better, averaging 1.6 million viewers.
"Cathouse" began as a pair of documentary specials-2002's "Cathouse" and 2003's "Cathouse 2: Back in the Saddle"-before being greenlighted as a series. The "Cathouse" specials showed prostitutes talking with their clients before and after sex in the brothel rooms, while the series ups the ante by showing scenes from an actual session.
Patti Kaplan, producer-director of "Cathouse" and "Real Sex," said the network has allowed more freedom in recent years to depict adult situations.
"Not freedom to be sleazy, but rather more liberating. … I think it's a matter of good taste," she said. "Certainly, things that are overtly pornographic we do not air, even though you can see things that are quite explicit."
The programming is inexpensive to produce. Ms. Kaplan declined to reveal the budget for "Cathouse," but the series is shot on videotape at a single location and without a hired cast. The brothel owner and male clients are paid only modest appearance fees, but the working girls, oddly enough, are not paid. "We are not going to be, in a sense, paying prostitutes," she said.
In addition to its graphic content, "Cathouse" has another thing in common with "Real Sex," "Family Business" and other nonfiction premium cable sexcapades: All endorse a progressive and unabashed discussion of sexual attitudes and behaviors.
But asked whether HBO is too shy about promoting and discussing her shows, Ms. Kaplan had no comment.
They are too good to pay prostitutes who star in the show, but not too good to make money off of them. Something is very wrong with that picture!!
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Post by Amber Love on Mar 13, 2019 15:09:46 GMT -8
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« Reply #1 posted on: July 11 2005 at 04:13:55pm » Posts: 1050 [Awesome] [Good] This shows that the stigma is still in full swing. Is what really upsets me is we are working hard to let people know that Courtesans are the same as anyone else working a job for money. We are the same as anyone else. But this Idea of they won't pay prostitutes but they will use them to make money really bothers me. It feeds the stigma. It disrespects us working girls. They are saying that our artistic ability is not worth anything because we are prostitutes. But if we were owners then its worth something. I am really troubled by this! They are not doing us any favors! Ms. Kaplan if there was no prostitutes in the show would it be a hit? Why do you feel its OK to make money off of prostitutes but don't feel they are worthy of being paid for there performance?
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Post by aprilshowers on Mar 13, 2019 15:21:35 GMT -8
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leave it to me to tell all, HBO is very deceiving and you can not believe a word that they say. they are extremely disrespecting to the lpin industry as a whole and here is why...
#1 - they do offer certain girls compensation for their "work" on the show so girls if you are going to do it make sure you know that. i can attest for that. i was offered 5000 dollars to do an episode in their series, i declined. i was told by the producer not to tell any of the other girls. that didn't happen either. if you are going to offer to one offer to all!!! and certainly don't tell the LIBERATED one to not tell the others. fair is fair. all girls should be paid.
#2 - they will tell you whatever you want to hear to get you to do the show. even if it means lying to the girls.
#3- they do not care how they make us look, they care about one thing and that is bringing to life their slowly disintegrating ratings. they have lost most of their top shows and have found a way to get amazing reality ratings while the "reality craze" is still thriving and what better way to do that then capitalize on the ever growing PIMP craze in America too. and then put the icing on the cake by creating a show where you do not have to pay the staring cast, low budget-high profit. and we all know that in the "reality show craze" wild and crazy sells, so they are not concerned with they way they are portraying us to the general population.
"Not freedom to be sleazy, but rather more liberating. … I think it's a matter of good taste," she said. "Certainly, things that are overtly pornographic we do not air, even though you can see things that are quite explicit." The programming is inexpensive to produce. Ms. Kaplan declined to reveal the budget for "Cathouse," but the series is shot on videotape at a single location and without a hired cast. The brothel owner and male clients are paid only modest appearance fees, but the working girls, oddly enough, are not paid. "We are not going to be, in a sense, paying prostitutes," she said.
good taste, not pornographic? liberating??? HA!!! i can tell you that if you have friends or family that know that you are in the business and they see this show it will send chills right down there spine.
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Post by Amber Love on Mar 13, 2019 15:33:49 GMT -8
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« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 05:27:04pm » Posts: 1050 [Awesome] [Good]Yea and thats before they sold the DVDs nationally. The girls don't get a dime of that either!
April I really think this HBO think plain stinks! I can see 2 people making out on this deal. Denis and HBO. At the cost to the girls AGAIN! Its all getting pretty old!
I think the girls should think long and hard before doing something like this show. I would NEVER do it! For the rest of your life and more that DVD will be out there making money for someone but not you! You might as well let every customer video tape you and have the rights to all future sales of the DVD! Its no different.
It is a major put down! Girls get a lawyer to view anything you sign and explain it to you then make a decision from there. This DVD at some point in your life can ruin your life for you! Keep that in mind. None of the other players care about your future at all. They are not looking out for you. Once they get what they want from you the Mr nice guy attitude goes away and your screwed. And they are laughing all the way to the bank. Be carefull!
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Post by Dex on Mar 13, 2019 15:50:50 GMT -8
Re: Cathouse & TV
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Hero Member [Awesome] [Good] « Reply #4 Posted on: July 11 2005 at 06:50:12pm » Gender: Male Posts: 671 I've wanted to do a documentary on LPIN for a long time.....
The thing is....I wouldn't be able to pay the girls either. Not because I wouldn't want to...simply because the budget on a documentary is such that I couldn't. However, my goal with it would be to show the human side of the girls and show the world that this is ok....take away the stigma...so I'd be attempting to do the industry a good service. Hard to say if I'd be able to get it done or not now. Before Cathouse I'm sure I could have made it happen. Now, the girls have been so fucked over by this it's unlikely that I'd be able to get enough girls to go for it to make the film.
Damn shame really.....
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Post by Dex on Mar 13, 2019 15:58:36 GMT -8
Re: Cathouse & TV weekly!
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« Reply #5 Posted on: July 11 2005 at 07:26:05pm »
[Awesome] [Good] Gender: Female Posts: 416 hi my sweet dex, i think that would be a wonderful idea. there would be a huge difference between that and hbo is doing. you would not need to pay the girls. i would do it. especially for my sweet dex.
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Post by Amber Love on Mar 13, 2019 16:11:56 GMT -8
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« Reply #6 Posted on: July 11 2005 at 10:22:28pm » [Awesome] [Good] Posts: 1050
I second April On this Dex I would do it as well.
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Post by Amber Love on Mar 13, 2019 16:17:36 GMT -8
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« Reply #7 Posted on: July 11 2005 at 10:37:59pm » [Awesome] [Good] Online Online Posts: 1050 I wonder how much hof got paid for it? think he will tell us?
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Post by brandman on Mar 13, 2019 16:27:11 GMT -8
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Gender: Male Posts: 211The legend lives on!
Don't confuse documentaries with HBO's mockumentary. The HBO series is not a documentary. Typically documentaries do not pay their subjects. Cathouse has gone so far as to hire professional actors. If HBO pays an actor that makes it un-real. So what's really going on here?
HBO's problem as I see it is that they've run up against some morality issues with paying the prostitutes to perform. If they did pay a woman to perform sex that would make HBO a pornographer.
You're dealing with a director named Kaplan, who I have not met but who I have seen on interview on TV. My quick assessment of her is that she's the wrong one to be showcasing the industry as she is. She's completely out of touch with LPIN and the counter culture as a whole. She just exploiting an opportunity like anybody else. Why Kaplan?
The various posts here that deal with HBO's attitude and payment for performances indicate some disturbing activities by HBO. From what I gather HBO is soliciting for on-camera sexual performances and this occurs off contract and in a highly subjective manner? Oh yeah, that's bad.
Have any of the girls been partying with the crew, staff, or producers? No side deals of any kind?
If Kaplan was really smart she'd find a better and legal way to get her sex footage and also to pay the girls whenever they are used in the program. I won't give up any clues on how to do this but will merely say that I'm disappointed in Kaplan and HBO but not surprised. I would do it differently.
To anyone that's interested I'd be happy to offer my advice pro-bono to any LPIN regarding producing, production, contracts and so on. I am not a lawyer but I do have about 18 years in the entertainment industry, mostly feature films.
Here's the rub: If someone was to make a big stink about this it will increase the ratings of the show because in Hollywood, bad publicity is good publicity.
Is there a formal complaint to be made here? Does anyone feel that HBO is exploiting women or is HBO acting improperly and wants to do something about it?
Feel free to email me if you just want some advice or someone to whom you can focus your complaint.
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Post by JustForFun\WR\And more handles on Mar 14, 2019 17:14:17 GMT -8
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Post by Rick James on Mar 14, 2019 17:19:33 GMT -8
Post subject: MLBR Endorsement
Rick James Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 110
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:24 am Cool, sorta like a "Hall of Fame" but instead of being in cooperstown, it's in carson city. I think you should add the April Showers thread about Cathouse too. Oh yeah for those of you that did'nt know, sweet little innocent april is a member of this board too... Twisted Evil_________________ I'm Rick James...
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Post by Rick James on Mar 14, 2019 17:59:51 GMT -8
Post subject: MLBR Endorsement
Posted by Rick James 36 minutes ago
Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 110 PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:10 am Learning Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 181 PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:35 am
I see your girl friend Max is your property. Did you know that she was a drug Whore. I'm sure you have seen her videos where she is doped up and wasted. Are you her Pimp or her Drug supplier? By the way are you a drug Pimp?
Why would I tell you my cupboard is clean it's filthy. I'm not sure how much of the BoB board you have read. But Crack Whore is often used on this board to describe LPIN ladies mostly by JFF and several others. I'm just playing by their rules. I think if you are going to keep posting on this board, you might want to take a look at it's history and archives. Then you can call me anything you want and post anything you want about me. Hell you can do it now. Nothing you post will be anything I haven't heard from others on this board. Actually I think whatever you post would be mild compared to what Eli, Bustlover, Vernon or Jff have posted about me and most of the posters from the SIN board.
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Post by Learning on Mar 14, 2019 18:16:06 GMT -8
Post subject: MLBR Endorsement
Learning Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 181 PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:35 am
Hey! I have no problem taking responsibility for what I post. Your not dealing with Wr here who likes to say something then delete it and edit it when it doesn't make him look like the phony image he likes to put on.
I suspect your refering to this post. I don't hide from what I have posted or have Vernon delete it to protect myself. I wasn't sure where to but my response. I figure here is as good as any place. After reading all the response so far on this subject, I'm going to tell you what my personal experience in life and with LPIN and drugs. I will try to keep it as short has possible, but I'm sure it will turn into a ramble. In my past I have been a drug user. Not just a dabbler but a full time user of speed, Meth and Cocaine. I used these on a daily basis for several years. During that same period I worked for a big company. Their were co workers that also had this problem. Mostly we were each others dealers. I'm sure some bosses knew or suspected it. Others were fired on the spot for the drug use. Some like me seemed to be able to keep in very good standing and maintain a good work ethic. Others were helped through the Company. My point here is that many are drug addicts in LPIN and the general population. They all act differently. They are also treated differently, by the management. Your history with the company and how well you get along with the bosses and co-workers will have an effect on whether you're fired, given counseling, or just a warning to get yourself fixed. This topic is hitting home with me right now, do to my own personal real life situation that has been going on for the last 3 to 4 weeks. The next part of my post is not to get sympathy. Please do not go there. I'm over the lost. Now it's just lawyers and legal tangles that I have to get taken care of. My Brother just died of an over dose of Meth and booze. He had been a drug dealer/user most of his life. He did go through a period of trying to get cleaned up. It lasted periodically for short periods of time. I was more lucky. When i hit bottomed out I walked away. No counseling. I just said it's time to quit. For me that worked. My Brother went through counseling, that did not work. For every drug user their is a different solution to the same problem. Who's to know which is the right solution in this case or any other case. On the LPIN side of it. Every house has some drug issues. I think they are less today than in the past. Not all houses have as serious of a problem as others. Every house deals with it differently. They also deal with each individual user differently. That is just the way it is. In some cases lockdowns, no lockdowns, or counseling, may be the way to go. Each brothel owner is going to deal with the issue and particular lady differently. I don't think it is up to us(the posters) Or even the ladies to say which is the right way or wrong way. They may all work or they may all fail. No brothel owner can know what will or not work. They will make the best decision at that moment in time that will both get rid of a problem, help the profit margin of the house, and give the appearance of everything being wonderful. Sometimes it's the right decision at other times they blow it big time. None of us can really be the judges of what the right decision should have been. All we have is 12 different sides to a story. None of us know the whole truth whether that truth is coming from the Brothel owner, the lady, the ladies clients/friends, or the ladies co-workers. Although we sure think we have all the solutions. We also don't have the responsibility of the Brothel and what effects it could have or not have on the Brothel. What we have is a bunch of opinions based on half truth and rumors. It makes for lively discussion but I don't think it will fix anything. Drugs have been and will be in the Brothels from the beginning and in the future. They are also in everyday life. We live in a society of magic pills advertised on TV. Our society is always looking for the quick fix. We aren't the major producer of illegal drugs, but we are probably the major user of Illegal drugs. We blame it on the Colombians, and a host of other scape goats. Anyone but ourselves. In this case it's all the Brothel owners fault. I read a few comments that a lady that is well read and expresses herself so well on a board could never be full time drug addict. That is just bunk. I know some of the most popular ladies, that were considered to be articulate and were the Goddesses of many of the male posters that were some of the biggest users of the worse drugs. Some of their biggest regulars had them on a pedestal. Their girl was perfect. Smart, a good business lady and the perfect courtesan in their eyes. They had no clue. Others. myself included knew the real story behind the sweet smile. This thread has helped to fill a slow time on the boards. Although their is nothing new about it's topic. It's probably more interesting than the fun we had at CWMC, shaved or unshaved, or the famous CSM post. It isn't really any thing new or anything that doesn't go on everyday in all the Brothel behind the scenes. Their have been other threads in the past much like this one. Whether it's drugs, violence in the Brothels or mistreatment of the ladies. most of the major Brothels have had their faces rubbed in the mud, based on truth, rumors and half truth. It will pass until the next time. Then we will all takes sides. Give our expert opinions. Tell the other posters how much of a better job we could do. It's all those mean old Brothel owners fault. Or it's the druggie girls fault. Then the subject will get old. We will move on until the next time someone hits a nerve with us the posters. Mean while, little will change at the Brothels. They will have their druggies. They will have the good Samaritans that will have the cure for all the ills of the Brothels. Then their will be those that believe everything in the Brothels is wonderful and always will be. These forces will again clash and we will once again take sides. Now carry on. I'll read everyones solutions. Then down the road we will be discussing a similar problem. One day the world and the Brothels maybe perfect. I don't think I will see that day. _________________
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