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Post by FredT on Dec 6, 2018 16:46:25 GMT -8
FredT Brothel Newbie Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 58
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:13 am
Samurai:
WTF??? Sorry, but this catches me totally by surprise. For the first two years that I did the awards, no one had a problem with me posting here. Not one single issue. Then last year there was the problem that came (As far as I could see ) out of nowhere, caused by the mistaken impression that the awards were somehow connected with this web site.
OK, I thought (mistakenly I guess) that this was the only issue, and I began this thread SCREAMING that these awards had nothing to do with the site. AB replied that his main issue was not knowing who was running the awards, and that if we let him know that, we would be welcomed to post here.
I do apologise for not PM'ing him first, but I have an aversion to the use of PM's, and hardly ever use them. (In other words, the thought never crossed my mind)
As far as "ego" goes, I guess I am just dense, cause I don't see it. I am not seeking publicity, fame or notoriety here. (Most owners and ladies have no idea that I did the awards the last few years) As far as your business plan, how am I doing anything? WHAT am I doing? Sorry but I have no idea what doing these awards could be doing to "twist more of the knife in your back?" As far as I am concerned, you have allways been an honest, up front, stand up guy, and I have allways tried to be the same with you, so I have no freaking idea where you're coming from with this. (Shit, PM me with this PLEASE and fill me in if you want, cuz I certainly am in the dark here!)
Fred
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Post by FredT on Dec 6, 2018 16:54:06 GMT -8
FredT Brothel Newbie Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 58 Post Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:13 am
Samurai: WTF??? Sorry, but this catches me totally by surprise. For the first two years that I did the awards, no one had a problem with me posting here. Not one single issue. Then last year there was the problem that came (As far as I could see ) out of nowhere, caused by the mistaken impression that the awards were somehow connected with this web site.
OK, I thought (mistakenly I guess) that this was the only issue, and I began this thread SCREAMING that these awards had nothing to do with the site. AB replied that his main issue was not knowing who was running the awards, and that if we let him know that, we would be welcomed to post here.
I do apologise for not PM'ing him first, but I have an aversion to the use of PM's, and hardly ever use them. (In other words, the thought never crossed my mind)
As far as "ego" goes, I guess I am just dense, cause I don't see it. I am not seeking publicity, fame or notoriety here. (Most owners and ladies have no idea that I did the awards the last few years) As far as your business plan, how am I doing anything? WHAT am I doing? Sorry but I have no idea what doing these awards could be doing to "twist more of the knife in your back?" As far as I am concerned, you have allways been an honest, up front, stand up guy, and I have allways tried to be the same with you, so I have no freaking idea where you're coming from with this. (Shit, PM me with this PLEASE and fill me in if you want, cuz I certainly am in the dark here!)
Fred
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Post by Arcticbear on Dec 6, 2018 17:00:31 GMT -8
arcticbear Webmaster/Owner Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 948 Location: Reno Post Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:35 am
Well Fred, now we're getting some mixed messages. We started this off elluding that you were turning over the reigns, now you're part of it with some other anonymous people. That's a little deceptive isn't it? You say someone is in charge, yet you haven't said you are the one excepting responsibility, but rather you as part of a group with other anonymous people.
Fred, quite bluntly, why is it necessary for you to shroud this thing in lies and deceptions? If it's just good fun, why is it that those involved do not just say they are involved. They needn't use their real names, but giving their handles would lend some credibility. But hell in the long run I don't really want to be upfront about what goes on. You guys will do what you want, and that's cool by me.
You should however take a look at what you've stated this is all about. "Just good clean fun" was I believe what you said. Well, there were more then just Desiree upset, she was just the only one that posted. Your good clean fun, isn't so fun when the ladies think you're running a legitimate contest and find out it's really not as legitimate as you'd like to infer.
Like I said, when people are getting their feelings hurt that doesn't much sound like good clean fun.
Well, this is pointless because there are hidden agendas here, and frankly I have better things to do with my time then worry about this. So Fred, since there is no administrative email to this little ditty, I'll forward you on in just a little while.
Good luck with your fun little contest.
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Post by Samurai on Dec 6, 2018 17:08:05 GMT -8
Samurai Moderator Joined: 06 Nov 2005
Posts: 878 Location: 5 O'Clock Somewhere
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:49 am
Yeah, Fred....
Right, here you said you have nothing to do with these awards and now when the heat is on, you waffle on the direct question of who is sponsoring these awards. And now you say you are some connection? Either or!
As for the business plan, it's AB's business plan with this site. And something you shouldn't have a clue about.
I have an idea as to who these anonymous people are and I know these people have a hidden agenda against myself and AB. These Dee Dee Dee's love to have the control who twisted you and had no brass balls to back you when the heat went up a few notches. They love to hide behind their facade both personally and behind their computers.
And just who is this mystery sponsor? A legal house that threw a few hundred bucks your way so that in hopes of tweaking the voting towards their favor?
There's no reason for a PM or an email in private regarding this subject. It's out in the open and the readers, members, Ladies and the houses here deserve an honest answer.
Like AB said, he's got better things to do and I got better things to do with my time ... like watch my Bears in the NFC Championship game._________________ Samurai samurai@nevadabrotheltimes.com editors@companyladies.com companyladies.com
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Post by FredT on Dec 6, 2018 17:14:49 GMT -8
FredT Brothel Newbie Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 58 Post Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:53 amwow.......
Well, like you guys said, someone has an agenda..... But it's not me, and as I can see what Bashful, ex-oakie, and the other monger who asked to remain anonymous are doing, I know it's not them.
All I am trying to do is be part of a small group (See above) who want to run a fair and balanced vote. You keem insuniating it's rigged. If so, how are we doing it? Our rules are up front, we list the voters after they vote on the web site, and we keep copies of every vote for anyone to see come July. You further insinuate that a house is sponsering the vote. Not true. every penny has come from guys I know personally who handed the greenbacks over last week at Winterfest. Again, come July I will make sure that a list of every doner and every bill is available for the asking.
As far as "they" are concerned.... I THINK I know the "they" you are talking about, but I can't swear to it. If you have followed my posts over the years, you know I have tried to stay out of the politics and shit that has been slung since the Paranoia days. My interest is brothels, ladies, and twice a year having a good time... nothing more. If I thought that the awards as I did them for three years, or the awards this year (That I am doing with the three guys above) were part of a vendeta, plan, or anything else, I would walk away. Cuz brother, it just aint worth it.
Last, I ask again..... what did I do to harm your business plan? Honest question! If I don't know what I did to "turn the knife" how do I refrain from doing it again? I am honestly sitting here out east (Waiting for my Pats game... Smile ) trying to figure out how this exploded from a simple "Hey we're here" post into this...
Fred
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Post by Samurai on Dec 6, 2018 17:20:51 GMT -8
Samurai Moderator Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 878
Location: 5 O'Clock Somewhere Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:18 pm Dee-Dee-Dee-Fred Dee
You self admitted yourself and confessed that there were problems with your last awards.
We clearly told you that we want NO association with your awards. Are you senile? And we publicly stated that here on this website. We publicly and privately told management, the Ladies and the house we had NO association with these awards but you and your cohorts decided to lump us into this joke of an award program.
Your stupid awards cost us thousands of dollars in revenue and what's worse, it created ill will between the Ladies and Houses. That's not what we're all about.
You were made aware of the problems but instead of asking AB, you do it on your own. We don't want control of these awards but instead of asking permission as a courtesy which none of your people know anything about, you do something on your own.
I'll be real honest here. You're only the messenger from what it appears to be. Yes, I shot the messenger (in a figurative sense) and the next one and others will be treated the same way until you and the other Dee Dee Dee's come forward with this anonymous crap.
Do yourself a favor. Stop this waffling. Lies and deceit and trying to make yourself look like just an innocent Dee Dee Dee.
This thread ends here. No response/reply needed from you to defend yourself. By the way as a parting gift, I'll send you a dead crow you can heat and eat in a microwave._________________ Samurai samurai@nevadabrotheltimes.com editors@companyladies.com companyladies.com
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Post by Anonymous person on Dec 6, 2018 17:26:33 GMT -8
Anonymous person Brothel Newbie Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 40 Location: California Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:39 pm
I (Anonymous person) am not part of this committee. Now that is out in the open. How about both parties listen to a quote from Martin Luther King. "Can't we all just get along."
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Post by Arcticbear on Dec 6, 2018 18:45:01 GMT -8
arcticbear Webmaster/Owner Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 973 Location: Reno Post Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:00 am
Our Official Stand on the CWMC Award
This debate was bound to happen. This isn't just a simple matter. There's a lot of issues on both sides. I hosted the awards one year in the past and even though a lot of people put in a lot of hard work (and conducted a fair, inclusive and successful event) many people took issue with it and some just flat out did everything they could to undermine it. I won't comment on the following awards except to say it's not how I would have done them.
But it seems there is a lingering issue here. Some people can't or won't let go of the past. Some people think that those that weren't around aren't aware of some of the agendas that ARE out there. But again, it really doesn't matter.
What does matter is what's happening now. Last years awards caused significant problems for not only the Posse but NBT as well. Neither of us had anything to do with the awards, however we both got blamed for the results. What's even more sad is that those that were responsible were to gutless to step up to the plate and take responsibility for their own program.
Well it's obvious to me that it's starting up again. In the other thread I was willing to just sit by again if those responsible identified themselves. That doesn't seem to be what's going to happen. Further, I've gone to their official website and I see NBT's name proudly displayed with a list of other websites as official criteria for being eligible to vote.
I have never given permission to anyone to use NBT's name in the promotion of any such awards, nor have I agreed to be part of their voting critera. You see, in order to verify someone isn't just manufacturing email addess and making bogus posts, you need to be able to look at the origin of those posts to see if they are originating from the same place. Well, I'm not turning over any kind of information on NBT's users, especially to anonymous people. Nor am I doing the research for them.
In short, I have notified FredT that NBT will not be participating in the awards, and we do not want our name associated with such, nor do we want it listed on their website. And more over, we just aren't going to support the flow of information about that award here. I'm certain those of you that are really that interested can view that information somewhere else.
Regards AB
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Post by FredT on Dec 6, 2018 18:49:05 GMT -8
FredT Brothel Newbie Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 58 Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:03 pm"Gutless???"
AB: The awards over the past three years were mine and mine alone. No one was hiding behind me, no one was directing me. I have ALWAYS taken responsibility for them despite what you may believe. PERIOD.
Fred
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Post by Arcticbear on Dec 6, 2018 18:58:51 GMT -8
arcticbear Webmaster/Owner Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Posts: 973
Location: Reno
Post Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:57 pm
Yes Fred, Gutless Yes gutless. Not only did you not take responsibilty for the mess last year, you're denying it this year. You quoted on your awards site that the mix up was over the Posse awards. Not only is this not true but you know its not true. The problem was over YOUR COY award period. It seems the truth is completely lost on the people running this.
First we're told that you aren't involved. Now you say you are involved. Now you make completely false claims trying to shift responsibility. You had the opportunity to resolve matters with a simple statement and instead you did a massive sidestep. It really seems to me that the integrety of your process is massively in question.
For those reasons, NBT will not be participating in any fashion with these awards. We've nicely asked that our trademark be removed from your site, and you responded by printing a bunch of lies, misquotations and slander, rather than just take our trademark off it. And you say there's no agenda there? Well we'll deal with that in another venue. As for the awards, this topic is closed and you are not welcome to update information about them here.
addendum
You've posted on your website that NBT has requested it's members not be allowed to vote. We've never made any such statement so your caught in another lie. We simply stated we would not support the awards, nor would we provide information on our members to you. You've mistated and taken out of context statments made in this dicussion and posted private email comments lying and saying they were public statements. Then when then you x out our name and still leave your slanderous lies and comments online, and you claim not to have an agenda?
Let's recap.
1. You have never asked permission to use NBTs resources for your awards. 2. You have without authorization included NBT in your process to determine the winner of your awards again without permission. 3. Your awards last year sparked significant controversy offending various ladies a couple houses and injuring the reputations of one group and this website not to mention causing a significant financial loss. 4. You contend that all of the above is ok, because its just in good fun. 5. When cordially asked to remove NBT from your awards process, website etc, you instead moved the name off of the list of "authorized" sites and proceeded to make false statements about the request and slander us over it, instead of just removing us from the process. 6. When a complaint was made you just x'd out our name and left all the slanderous remarks intact.
Well isn't that special. So I guess the moral to the story is that if you don't want to be a part of the mongers group, you'd best shut up and take whatever they dish out or they'll do their best to do an axe job on you. Boy is this a group you'd want to receive an award from or what?
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