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Post by Coconut on Aug 24, 2018 14:01:17 GMT -8
VOTE early and often
Posted by Coconut on December 08, 1997 at 02:36:45:In Reply to: Re: VOTE, dammit, VOTE posted by Desert Dude on December 08, 1997 at 00:49:06:I'm orginally from Texas, I believe we invented that phrase. I voted twice. I can make up more usernames if necessary.
P.S. That Linda is pretty cute too, but I voted for Tessa.
Coconut
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Post by Counsel on Aug 24, 2018 14:29:35 GMT -8
The State of the Campaign
Posted by Counsel on December 11, 1997 at 01:52:21:Having read the previous posts from John Wright and ArcticBear, it becomes my duty as Campaign Manager to set the record straight on a few matters.
I was the first person to cast a vote for Tessa. I did so after making one of my weekly checks on the site, and noticing that the Babe of the Year contest was under way.
As I cast my vote, I looked diligently for any sort of voting guidelines, rules, specifications or regulations. I found none. To this date, none have been posted by the owner/webmaster of the BOTW site.
I will add at this point that to attempt to enforce a rule retroactively (that was not posted in the first place) is at minimum very bad form, and at its worst blatant election manipulation. I don't think that the administrator of the site wants to be perceived as a person who isn't fair - much less as a participant in a "fixed" contest - given the facts at hand. And the main fact at hand is that no voting rules have been posted, or offered, to prospective voters.
After I cast my vote and checked out the site, I e-mailed Tessa with the news of the contest. I then made my first post on this message board, with the contest news and an e-mail voting link to ease the voting process for the board contributors and lurkers who were interested in voting. In the process, I became the self-appointed "campaign manager." All of this was done for, in addition to my friendship with Tessa, good fun, and to add a little bit of variety to the message board.
Now, it seems that there is opposition to Tessa's nomination. Opposition is what elections are all about; however, surprisingly, the opposition doesn't come from another candidate - or, I might add, from the webmaster of the site. It comes from another message board concerning itself with prostitution, and the contributors there - represented by the voice of John Wright - apparently oppose her election for reasons having nothing to do with the purpose of the election, which is to elect the site viewers' favorite "Babe."
John Wright has nothing - either to gain or lose - by opposing OR supporting Tessa's election. His life - and the lives of his board's contributors - will not be affected in the slightest, either by her winning or losing. He does not know Tessa personally. Nothing will affect his message board if she wins. Nothing will change his board if she loses. The stakes of this contest are purely ones of mental and emotional satisfaction for Tessa, and for her friends in this forum. I derive an additional measure of satisfaction for getting it started and seeing it through to its conclusion, however it may end.
One asks, then, why he is bothering to concern himself at all with this matter. Since the results will have no effect on him or his board's contributors, it's a fair question.
I once knew a person - a former neighbor in a former neighborhood - who took it upon themselves to police others' behavior. She would stand on the curb to make sure everyone's garbage was lined up on the curb "properly." She would walk over to another person's house to inform them that their lawn grass was too high, too low, too yellow, or not edged properly. I caught her looking into other people's windows more than once - to monitor what sort of behavior, I don't know. But monitoring she was. This person was (in addition to any other problems she had) emotionally invested in both the observance, and ultimately the control of other people's behavior. She obtained some sort of satisfaction from changing one of her neighbors' behavior, or activities, from what they would normally do to what she wanted them to do.
It is a form of behavior that people who are involved with either the service or consumer sides of the sex industry are all too familiar with. Something was happening that she didn't like - and so she was willing to cajole, threaten, or even invade the privacy of others in order to bring things under her control. She would appeal to certain standards - not necessarily those of the affected party - to buttress her position.
Now we learn that our support of Tessa may "disgrace" her. That - somehow - her winning this contest will "make it harder for johns everywhere." We are told that someone who is not a member of this site, and who will be unaffected by the outcome, is considering taking steps to "rectify" the situation.
It's time, John Wright and my friends at his site, to recognize this contest for what it is - good fun, and a tangible way for the contributors here to show Tess we like her. Her original position as October 26 Babe of the Week afforded us this unique and unprecedented opportunity to do so. We took advantage of it, and now, someone's come along to - as Tessa so precisely puts it - "stomp on the picnic basket."
The proper remedy to this situation is for each person taking this position to step back and say: "Excuse me. This is none of my business. I'll support my favorite candidate, but I won't sabotage Tessa's election."
It is difficult to interpret any organized opposition to her election under the circumstances set out here as anything other than maliciousness. We have had differing viewpoints, but so far, I hesitate to attribute that characteristic (malice) to the members and contributors of John Wright's message board. If any rule can be shown to exist and to have been pubically available - at the time voting began - which would prohibit any proveable activity by the contributors here, I will fully endorse it and require that any voting henceforth conform to that rule.
One final note: it was mentioned by someone on Mr. Wright's board that if improper voting could not be proven, then Tessa should be disqualified. I beg your pardon? Should not disqualification be for a provable offense? Are we to assent to a disqualification merely because some person opposing Tess's election makes a bare statement that "we know they did it?" I think not, and I think that any effort to cause a disqualification on such insupportable grounds has to be opposed in the most vigorous manner.
I urge all of you who have not yet voted for Tessa to do so now. Those of you who are opposed to Tessa for any reason other than your support for another candidate - please reconsider your position. This kind of stuff goes nowhere rather quickly, and nowhere - once you get there - is a hell of a place to call home.
Counsel Campaign Manager Tessa for 1997 Bay Area Babe of the Year
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Post by Tessa on Aug 24, 2018 14:31:53 GMT -8
End of Story
Posted by Tessa on December 11, 1997 at 02:54:24:In Reply to: The State of the Campaign posted by Counsel on December 11, 1997 at 01:52:21:I disqualified myself.
Tessa
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Post by XXX on Aug 24, 2018 14:33:17 GMT -8
Posted by XXX on December 11, 1997 at 03:07:00:
In Reply to: End of Story posted by Tessa on December 11, 1997 at 02:54:24:
That sucks! XXX
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Post by Klatch on Aug 24, 2018 14:34:41 GMT -8
Posted by Klatch on December 11, 1997 at 03:24:16:
In Reply to: End of Story posted by Tessa on December 11, 1997 at 02:54:24:
Tessa - no matter what else you're our "Babe of the Year"!
Klatch
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Post by Flyfisher on Aug 24, 2018 14:36:36 GMT -8
Posted by Flyfisher on December 11, 1997 at 03:30:34:
In Reply to: End of Story posted by Tessa on December 11, 1997 at 02:54:24:
Tessa,
Sorry to hear it...and let John Right win on a bogus dispute. That sucks. However it is your decision. As a friend, I support your choice to do as you see fit. I only cast one sincere vote for you. And I'd cast a legitimate vote for any endeavor you do. And you know it! Sincerely Flyfisher
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Post by Mark on Aug 24, 2018 14:38:52 GMT -8
Posted by Mark on December 12, 1997 at 01:57:07:
In Reply to: Re: End of Story posted by Flyfisher on December 11, 1997 at 03:30:34:
Its unforntunate that everyone was not as honest as you. I think Tessa did the right thing. A victory won with multiple votes would be a hollow victory.
Mark
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Post by Pat on Aug 24, 2018 14:41:18 GMT -8
Posted by Pat on December 11, 1997 at 09:27:29:
In Reply to: End of Story posted by Tessa on December 11, 1997 at 02:54:24:
shows your class. I had a big boring post I had plan on posting but looks like its not needed now. I will bore you with the short story.
You entered a contest that you could have won without any public annoucements on the board. With good intentions some posters tried to help you by getting the vote out for you. It turned the whole thing into a big controversy and IMHO took away the credibility from the out come. If you look at the votes no one else has any kind of organized support. I am sorry that you have pulled out but do think it is the right thing to do. What counts is that you know that this board loves you and supports you has our Babe of the Year.
Pat
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Post by Counsel on Aug 24, 2018 14:42:49 GMT -8
Posted by Counsel on December 11, 1997 at 10:51:46:
In Reply to: End of Story posted by Tessa on December 11, 1997 at 02:54:24:
That's it, folks. Tessa's made her decision, and that's final.
I hate to see John Wright get handed what he wanted on a silver platter; as it will justify his behavior to himself.
But that's not Tess's problem - and now, it's not ours, anymore.
Counsel
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Post by sherry on Aug 24, 2018 14:44:59 GMT -8
BABE OF THE YEAR
Posted by SHERRY on December 11, 1997 at 11:13:56:In Reply to: End of Story posted by Tessa on December 11, 1997 at 02:54:24: Tessa,
Not worth the bullshit, huh? Jon Wrong didn't win, it wasn't a contest between you and him, us and them.
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Post by Curious on Aug 24, 2018 14:47:02 GMT -8
Posted by Curious on December 11, 1997 at 12:29:14:
In Reply to: End of Story posted by Tessa on December 11, 1997 at 02:54:24:
Damn. What a woman.
Am I in love?
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Post by Coconut on Aug 24, 2018 14:48:46 GMT -8
Posted by Coconut on December 11, 1997 at 15:03:08:
In Reply to: End of Story posted by Tessa on December 11, 1997 at 02:54:24:
Still have vote as my Babe of the Year.
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Post by Treadhead on Aug 24, 2018 14:51:26 GMT -8
Counsel...
Posted by Treadhead on December 11, 1997 at 08:49:52:In Reply to: The State of the Campaign posted by Counsel on December 11, 1997 at 01:52:21:Counsel:
If I may offer my opinion...your heart is in the right place. I understand what you are trying to do.
But like you said, it doesn't make a difference anyway. It doesn't matter what John Right says or doesn't say.
In the end, we still have to get up in the morning and go to work. The world still turns...and life goes on.
Just my 2 cents.
Treadhead
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Post by Counsel on Aug 24, 2018 14:54:37 GMT -8
Treadhead -
Posted by Counsel on December 11, 1997 at 13:59:00: In Reply to: Counsel... posted by Treadhead on December 11, 1997 at 08:49:52:It doesn't matter what John Right says or doesn't say. In the end, we still have to get up in the morning and go to work. The world still turns...and life goes on.
I know, Treadhead, I know. It's not that big of a deal, bottom line. The whole thing, as I said, was done in good fun and for a good cause.
Someone didn't like us enjoying ourselves so much, and tried to intervene in something that was none of their business. That it became what it did was none of our faults.
I suppose I was reacting to the meddling attitude more than anything else. I hate having my fun spoiled by someone who thinks they know how to run my life.
Counsel
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Post by ArcticBear\John Wright on Aug 27, 2018 12:18:03 GMT -8
Current Situation Regarding BABOY Competition
Posted by John Wright via ArcticBear on December 10, 1997 at 23:43:51:John Wright has asked me to post this for him in this forum. I will save my response for the follow-up thread. Keep in mind John is free to post here at his leisure, I am doing this as a courtesy at his request.
AB, I have posted the following in my message baord. I would like to post it in your board too. Please post it for me "only if you think that it is OK, I did not want another flame war in your board". I do believe people with different opinions could still be friend, or at least keep talking.
Respectfully,
JR
Posted by JR on December 10, 1997 at 23:29:23: In Reply to: anti-Tessa BABOTY movement posted by Ben L on December 10, 1997 at 21:58:03:To Artic Bear and everyone,
Artic Bear, my first choice is to deal with this matter privately. But since it is worth public discussion and in your letter you said it is OK to repost it. I posted your letter below:
"John,
As I've said before I am pretty politically incorrect and fairly blunt. As such I'll come to the point quickly. I am fairly concerned about your recent post regarding mobilization of voting in the Bay Area Babe of the Year contest. I think it's important for you to understand that the reason many of us at GP's are supporting Tessa is because she is a regular contributor there, and more importantly is our friend. As such I'm not sure what it is you're trying to accomplish by mobilizing votes for a lady you don't know or have any stake in. It seems to me the only thing that will come out of this is more tension between our respective boards. I for one have had quite enough of that for one week.
I have no problem with you letting your people know about the contest. I have no problem with your people deciding to support any of the ladies competing. In fact I encourage them to pick their favorite and go for it, we have. But I do have a problem with this becoming a mechanism for promoting rivalry between yours and GP's message boards. I really hope that's not the intention here. As a professional courtesy, I am asking that you reevaluate your position on this. If your people wish to rally for a candidate that's fine. But in the case of Tessa, it is the contributors themselves that are promoting her, not the message board. Tessa is our friend. That's why there's a campaign going for here, but it's not sponsored or underwritten by GP, Bashful, myself or the message board. It's by the contributors. Anything less would be unfair to Tessa, the other contestants, and everyone else. I hope you accept these comments in the spirit in which they were offered.
I also would like to acknowledge your posts about you "lunch time rule changes" I applaud you for that. As a matter of courtesy, feel free to repost this correspondence if you deem it appropriate, I would just ask that it be done in it's entirety rather than in exerts.
Thank you for your time.
ArcticBear"
This matter is a bit complicated, but I would keep it simple.
1. First, I am NOT trying to attack you personally. I am just trying to discusss the way you and a few gp's board's regular's way of doing things. So don't take it personal.
2. You talk about fairness. Then please explain why a few guys in GP's board openly confessed using multiple email addresses to cast their vote? click here and read all the sub threads.
3. Do you realize that what you did was not only a disgrace to Tessa, but it may jeapardize her qualification?
4. This incident is an perfect example about what is wrong with GP's board. It is OK to favour the Nevada girl.It is OK to have different view point. But it is not OK to chnage your ethic and judgement in order to make the Nevada girl happy. It is also NOT OK to bash other poeple who happen to hold a opposite view. Have you ever wonder why some people is so mad about Nevada?
One simple excuse is that they are cheap or they are against women. My friend, this is not the whole reason. When all of you guys try everything to please the ladies, you are not being fair to the other johns! Have you ever wonder what you did will hurt the ladies in the long run?
5. I did not think what I did was right. But if you are campaigning for Tessa and even went to the extreme of using multiple email to cast vote, do you have the gut to challange me of what I did to retify the situation?
I did not think you would delete those important messages. But I would let you know that I had made a copy already.
I did not want any more flame war. Forgive me if I had said anything imappropiate.
Regards,
JR
: JR,
: I hope you emailed the information you've included on your front page to the folks at the "Bay Area Babe of the Week" site along with a pointer to GP's site.
: Unless they enjoy being made fools of, I hope they discount the repeat votes. If they can't seperate the real votes from the false votes they should disqualify Tessa.
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